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Tuesday, December 2, 2008

Golden Chain of Salvation

以下取材自R.C. Sproul – Chosen By God Chapter 6 Foreknowledge and Predestination



羅八:29因為他預先所知道的人,就預先定下效法他兒子的模樣,使他兒子在許多弟兄中作長子。
30預先所定下的人又召他們來;所召來的人又稱他們為義;所稱為義的人又叫他們得榮耀。

Foreknowledge – Predestination – Calling – Justification – Glorification
這是預知論最愛用的經文

出名的Golden Chain of Salvation

乍看之下,這經文看來有道理。神預知,然後預定------呼召------稱義-------得榮耀。先定義這post所要談的預知論。

預知論------表神會揀選你,是因為神知道你會選祂,表示這中間你有選祂的能力,你有“自由意志”可選祂。換句話就是神只揀選那些"會"選祂的。
歸正認為上面的預知論所述是錯的。

Why? 為什麼是錯的?
等一,因為這經文根本沒這意思。

保羅并沒提到神預定是因為神預先知道你會選祂所以才預定。

一般我們說呼召分God’s external call 和 God’s internal call。

God’s external call是聽到牧者講道,基督徒傳福音或傳單之類的。

God’s internal call是神在你心中動工。

經文并沒提到是全部(all)還是部份(some)。

一般我們直覺告訴我們放all較合理。

看看放some是否會符合預知論所述的。

結果是Some of those he foreknew, he also predestined. Some of those he predestined, he also called. Some of those he called, these he also justified. Some of those he justified, he also glorified。

This reading of text leaves us with a theological monstrosity, a nightmare。

只有部份預定的被呼召------稱義。這和聖經不符。

如果是放all,對預知論的觀點也無法成立。

放all,

(A) All who hear the gospel outwardly are justified; or
那些聽過講道,福音或看過傳單之類的都被稱義。或

(B) All who are called by God inwardly are justify。
只有全部神在那人內心動工的才被稱義。

對錯馬上分明。

人不是神,無法在人內心動工。

而且在舊約里的know(認識,知道),是yada
如出33:17;Je1:5;Amos3:2等
新約的know (ginosko)
如太7:23;約10:14;1cor8:3;II Tim 2:19等
是有"親密關係"的意味,是指"人"不是知道某人的"行為"或"決定"。







Saturday, November 1, 2008

Can we know that we are saved


Below are abstract from RC Sproul – Chosen by God chapter 8 (Can we know that we are saved)

To be sure, stating our assurance of salvation may be an act of arrogance. If our confidence in our salvation rests in a confidence in ourselves, it is an act of arrogance.

(1) There are people who are not saved who know that they are not saved.
(2) There are people who are saved who do not know that they are saved
(3) There are people who are saved who know that they are saved.
(4) There are people who are not saved who “know” that they are saved.

>>以上分類有林加道的味道.

Why should you go to Heaven?

80 percent gave an answer that involved some sort of “work righteousness.” People said things like, “I have gone to church for thirty years,” “I have perfect attendance in Sunday school,” or “I have never done any serious harm to anybody.”

They have done “their best” and that, they tragically assume, is good enough for God.

>>> William Hung 在American Idol也是如此說,他也希望評審能給他過關.



God requires perfection to get into his heaven.

參見 >>>>>>> (100point Grace) http://ctloo.blogspot.com/2008/11/100-piont.html

From a biblical standpoint we must realize that it is still not only possible for us to have a genuine assurance of our salvation, but that it is our duty to seek such assurance, If assurance is possible and if it is commanded, it is not arrogant to seek it. It is arrogant not to seek it.

The apostle Peter writes:

(2 Peter 1:10, 11)
彼得後書第一章
所以弟兄們,應當更加殷勤,使你們所蒙的恩召和揀選堅定不移。你們若行這幾樣,就永不失腳。
這樣,必叫你們豐豐富富的得以進入我們主─救主耶穌基督永遠的國。
There are many Christian who are indeed in a state of salvation who lack assurance.
To be lacking in assurance is a grave hindrance to spiritual growth. The person who is not sure of his state of grace is exposed to doubts and terrors in his soul. He lacks an anchor for his spiritual life. His uncertainty makes him tentative in his walk with Christ.

Who can know for sure that he is not elect? – 這問題該是作者問基督徒.
作者的答案是Nobody.


If you are not sure, you would be well advised to make sure. Don’t ever assume that you are not elect. Make your election a matter of certainty.

The apostle Paul was sure of his election. He frequently used the term we when he spoke of the elect. He said toward the end of his life:


(2 Timothy 4:6~8)
提摩太後書第四章
我現在被澆奠,我離世的時候到了。
那美好的仗我已經打過了,當跑的路我已經跑盡了,所信的道我已經守住了。
從此以後,有公義的冠冕為我存留,就是按著公義審判的主到了那日要賜給我的;不但賜給我,也賜給凡愛慕他顯現的人。



(2 Timothy 1:12)
提摩太後書第一章
為這緣故,我也受這些苦難。然而我不以為恥;因為知道我所信的是誰,也深信他能保全我所交付他的(或作:他所交託我的),直到那日。

One Reformed theologian, A.A. Hodge, gives the following list of distinctions between true assurance and false assurance:

Saturday, October 25, 2008

Is Predestination Fatalism?

Is Predestination Fatalism?
預定論是宿命嗎?

先define宿命。

宿命---表人的affairs是受(命運)所控制,或指受"非人力能掌控的力量"所控制。

預定論---我的命運是在一位正義,慈愛,并大有憐憫的神手里。

預定論和宿命論是完全不同的兩回事。

神是聖潔的,我不是在一個“未知的力量”里,也不是被操縱在星星的手中,或十二生肖的手中。

湊巧(chance)----是一個我們用來形容未知(unknown)。

聖經里的舉証,何為chance?見撤上6:8,9的故事。

這世上有沒有uncaused events?

但可確定的是我們的命運不是受控制,因為chance is nothing。

公平的問題

以下為加爾文看公平的問題

有些人認為絕對預定的觀念反映出上帝很不公平,他們主張上帝是預見他們的行為,才揀選他們得著救恩。

加爾文指出,這正是上帝的主權所在,上帝完全是按照祂自己的主權去作出決定,並不受其他因素所影響,人也不能質疑為何上帝這樣揀選,因為人根本無權過問上帝的作為,加爾文說:「我們不必究問亞伯拉罕的後人在那些方面勝過別的民族,除非是上帝的特殊恩眷。
讓這些人自問,他們為甚麼是人,而不是牛馬;當上帝按自己的形像造他們時,祂本有權造他們為狗。難道這些人要讓禽獸來同上帝爭論牠們之被造為下等動物是不公平的?」(3.22.1)

加爾文認為上帝的絕對揀選是相對下最公平(relatively fair)的方法,他引用保羅的話說:「就如上帝從創立世界以前,在基督裏揀選了我們,使我們在祂面前成為聖潔,毫無瑕疵」(弗一4-5)。

他解釋說:「說他們是從創立世界以前即被揀選,正是撇開了一切關於人的功勞的思想」,並且上帝揀選我們,使我們成為聖潔,而不是預見我們會聖潔才揀選我們,他又引用保羅的話說:「上帝以聖召召我們,不是按我們的行為,乃是按祂的旨意和恩典,這恩典是萬古之先,在基督耶穌裏賜給我們的」(提後一9)。

既然是出於上帝的預定,我們可否對某人說:「你的不信是由於上帝注定你滅亡!」呢?

加爾文回應說:「這種說法,非但慫恿懈怠,而且鼓勵為惡。」(3.22.14)他引用奧古斯丁的話說:「若有上帝賜恩幫助,一個人可以因人的警告而獲益,然而上帝也不必藉人的警告來幫助人……當祂施行拯救時,人的自由意志絕對不能拒絕……正因為我們不知道誰屬於預定,或誰不屬於預定得救的人當中,所以我們當熱烈地盼望一切人的拯救。我們所遇到的無論是誰,都當努力他分享平安。」(3.22.14)

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預定論解決福音為什麼不是傳給每個人的問題,解決“不知者無罪”的“迷思”

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自由的問題

有預定才有自由

還有,就是許多人總無知,甚至狂妄地以為:「上帝的預定限制了人們的自由!」他們卻不知道,沒有上帝的預定(實即「恩典」),我們必然的結局只有一個,就是滅亡--在苦、罪、審判中永遠滅亡!還說甚麼「自由」呢?

正因為還有上帝超然的、「不合理」的預定,我們才有「一線希望」。

我們不致消滅,是出於耶和華諸般的慈愛;是因他的憐憫不致斷絕。(哀 3:22)

想想,若不是上帝出於祂不可知的旨意,「預定」一些人得救,哪裡會有人相信這麼「離奇」的福音信仰?

誰肯真心低首認罪?我們誰會聽到聖靈叫我們回轉的呼喚?

我們誰可以捱過末世的誘惑和逼迫得以進入天國?……感謝天父,正因為有了預定論,這一切,就「有可能」了!沒有「預定」,我們只有死路一條,但有了天父深不可測的「預定」,我們就有了真正的「自由」了!想想,這是何等奇妙的真理!

Tuesday, September 16, 2008

Predestination Vs Free Will

何謂Free Will?

一般定義為Free will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition.

表面是沒有coercion(強迫,威壓), free will 看來該是如此.

但如此解釋(定義)會有兩個潛在問題.

1) 若我們的選擇是不偏不倚,是中立,是neutral.
是沒理由的,是without rhyme or reason的,是一個pop out.

可能嗎?

答案是:不可能.

2) 如果沒有偏心,欲望或是motivation,完全沒有選擇的理由,那麼選擇是如何決定?

例: Alice in wonderland

Alice在十字路口如何走.





例: neutral-willed mule


一邊放 oats ; 一邊放 wheat. 如果兩邊的東西對mule來說, 欲望同等.
Mule 肯定會starve餓死or paralyzed (僵化).

所以沒有"決定"是不可能有"選擇".

So we must reject the neutral-will theory not only because it is irrational but because, as we shall see, it is radically unbiblical.

選擇一定有經過思維,一定有決定(determine)

Another definition of free will is “the ability to choose what we want.”

Jonathan Edwards 的經典著作– "On the freedom of the will".

Edwards’s law of choice is => “The will always chooses according to its strongest inclination at the moment.”

Natural ability Vs Moral ability

整個predestination的debate在此:
Does fallen man, in and of himself have a desire for GOD.

答案是:NO
Edwards 是emphatic “NO”

Augustine 謂fallen man有free will 但沒有liberty
Fallen man被捆綁,沒有moral ability追求基督的自由.

Original Sin – 指的是對First Sin 的Punishment.

原罪不是“罪”的某一個行為(Specific act)is a condition of sin.